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E_belli

437d

Heard some new information about my first abuser (older half-brother). He is 37 and was having a relationship and trying to have sex with a 16-year-old. So disturbing. But I also learned more about his past. I don't know what to feel. Sympathy? Guilt? When I told my mom, it gave me a bit of a different view. And I don't know what to feel or what the appropriate feelings are. My mom said it was sad to hear that and that she feels bad. She says she tried very hard (my parents were together before I was born and took care of my brother for around 6 years total). She says he went thru hell with his mom. He was physically and sexually abused by more than one person with his mom not including my grandfather&dad. He was neglected and treated like shit. Saw a lot of fxcked up things. And his therapist told my mom that basically the reason he knew how to abuse me (he was 10, I was 4) was bc of what he had been thru. My mom talked about more crap he experienced and how after my mom left my dad (after finding out about what happened to me) that within weeks my dad sent him back to that hell and didn't talk to him for most of his life. Until now. Since all 5 of his other kids don't want anything to so with him, he is now trying to support my brother for the first time while he is in and out of jail. I don't know how to feel about my brother or myself really. If you read this whole thing, thank you for hearing me.

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    • E_belli

      430d

      @Nae99 thank you.

    • Jai

      430d

      I was 1 of 5 kids, placed in care but before I was placed into care I was sexually, mentally, physically and emotionally abused from the ages of 2 until I was 7 and placed into care. It is hard to deal with certain emotions (and no I don't break the law)- I live alone and that's how I like it. But my older brother and younger sisters aren't particularly nice towards other people and yet they never witnessed what I witnessed or experienced what I experienced. In all I should be the one screwed up but I'm not. It's important to stay strong (if you can) and if you don't want anything to do with your brother that's your choice, no one else's and it's up to you. I choose to cut my real birth mother out of my life (my adoptive parents are my parents) I hate my birth mother for what she allowed happened to me. If you want to do the same with your brother, that's your choice and no one will say anything because it's your choice- your life, your choice.

      • E_belli

        430d

        @Jai I'm so sorry, you were so young, that's terrible. I'm glad you got out and have parents who treat you right. That makes a big impact. I'm glad things are good for you. I am also 1 of 6. 3 different moms. Very different lives. And somehow me and sibs down have actually turned out to be loving ppl who want to be in that helping role. My memories are much different than my siblings. Bc, it was me and my older brother until I was 4. And then my sister was born when I was 6. My siblings are 37, (I'm 30) 24, and 22, and twins who are almost 20. None of the younger sibs met our older brother. We all had various experiences with our father. None good. All traumatic. I can say I'm probs the most fcked up. At least outwardly. I've struggled with mental illness since I was a least 4 (PTSD/OCD). They got started later except my sister (24) got it pretty bad. And she was pretty messed up for a long time too. The two of us experienced the worst sexual / verbal abuse by our father. My Littlest sis(20) did but not as much just bc by that time my other sis and I had opened our mouths wide and we're telling ppl what happened to us. And trying to get his parental rights stripped. But we weren't believed bc we were crazy and too mentally ill to tell the truth. Even tho he was on the registry. And my bros it was mostly physical/verbal abuse. We have all have struggled with mental health issues, all very similar. And only one of my brothers/siblings actually lived with my dad/experienced him consistently after age 12. He generally disowns his kids in some fashion by then. And then wants to be involved at 18 again when we’re all grown and mentally healthier so he can throw a wrench in our good lives just to be a piece of sht and try to exert his control. 5 of us have completely cut our father out of our life. And my older bro started talking to him again after idk like 25 years bc he is in jail often and wants money and has nobody. I don't know how I went completely somewhere else with this, I'm so sorry. I haven't talked to my brother outside of a couple of very short FB chats in the last 25 years. I do feel bad for what he went thru. But I really have no desire to talk to him again. I'm in a good headspace now. Granted he sent me down a spiraling road by requesting me. I hate that he can do that still. I'm freakin 30. But I do feel guilt. But then again. I live by myself in the house that I rent, I have a steady job I absolutely love for going on 9 years. I have 2 puppers that make me happy. I have paid off my debt (except student loans of course) and I actually have a good life. After therapy my literal whole life, 16 years w my current one, I'm able to cope. I'm finally sober. I have a good relationship with my fam. I have reconnected with my sibs after 11 yrs apart w no communication. Idk. I feel like things are good. And I want to keep it that way. You know? I don't want to go back. And I really don't think I want him to have any part of my life. My sibs and I have gotten away from our father. These shtty ppl are gone. And I don't think it would be good for my mental health or my spirit.

    • Nae99

      430d

      I will say you can sympathize with a person but you don't have to interact and it doesn't make your abuse by them any less. You can and should still hold them accountable.

      • E_belli

        430d

        @Nae99 thank you.

    • EliteLexy

      432d

      I have a similar abuser. My heart goes out to you. Whatever emotion/feeling you do feel is right.

      • E_belli

        430d

        @EliteLexy thank you

    • PrettyPolar2

      432d

      wow I love hearing the back story its like reading a life novel. The way you described her as being their for you and staying with you when other people wouldn't I knew something was up, because if someone was kind you wouldn't have described it like she was making a sacrifice to take care of you and help you out of the hospital. If someone is in a loving relationship and one of the people are in the hospital for any type of illness the person helping could build resentment but they need to express themselves in a reasonable way. Especially since she probably knew your diagnoses or saw the signs beforehand. I am so happy thr garbage took itself out with that break up. I am really sorry she cheated on you, and treated you like a human ATM, wtf how low are people. I think that is why I have such trust issues because as soon as I think oh people have their own rules for themselves like I do no matter how much someone offers me I am only going to take as much as I need/deserve but some people were never taught that or something. . . ? Something that really changed me was taking ethics classes. I grew up in a radical religious Christian "cult" and so I still have some quirks and things I literally don't know or was lied to about. Everything was based on God's will and plan for your life and some groups believed that God would directly talk to people and during manic episodes I would hear His voice loud and clear. So because everything was based on His almighty plan that no one knew, everything was so fucking confusing, I didn't know if I should go to college or not, I didn't know if I should get married or be a missionary, because what is God's plan for my life?? Nobody knows. I say all that to say this, taking ethics classes in college really straightened that shit out because it showed me that some people need religion, some people need a lot of rules, some people need a higher power, but no matter what people have we still need to respect outlrselves and others. One of my favorite ethicists is Carol Gilligan, she outlines the 3 stages of the female process of development. She starts with selfishness, from being a child usually until adulthood/motherhood/relationships. In thr United States women form a more serving mentality while being a wife or mother so that stage is selflessness, always giving and giving. The final step that some never reach is the balance between selfishness and selflessness, the power to chose yourself or choose others in each situation and make good loving mature choices. This helped me so much because it is no a complex "reaching enlightenment" concept that other great thinkers would talk about, it is realistic and therefore sooo much more powerful to the common woman/person. This can also related to men but Carol was a student of Kolberg (6 stages of development) and he studied mostly men (typical) and the results were much different than women. He tried to show how humans reacted to life but she showed in her thesis that he missed 50+% of the population. I don't know if you are a man or woman but anyone can benefit from both of their knowledge. It is so good to see the journey of people and how struggles and relationships and bullshit people have been dealing with since the beginning of time and it has been and never will be smooth sailing. Growth is real!

      • E_belli

        432d

        @PrettyPolar2 haha sorry, I write a lot. And thanks. Yes I agree with you! I don't want to take more than I deserve or too much. But you're right! Ppl take more than they should and feel entitled to things that they shouldn't. I lost my dedication to religion when I had a priest who knew of the abuse by my dad, and did nothing. And then kicked him out of church. Do you feel like you control some of your life and your future? I agree about the self-respect and genuine care for others no matter what you believe. I'm gonna have to read up on those people. I like what you're saying. I am non-binary, afab. You are right about that! Smooth sailing is def a myth!

        • PrettyPolar2

          432d

          @E_belli I feel like I have a lot of control way more than I used to because I have made choices to support that goal. I used to live with my parents until I was 20 and then I lived with my sister for 6 months and then with 2 controlling passive aggressive roommates and now with my boyfriend. I think I have gotten a little bit more control with each move. The better my boyfriend and I get the more individual control I have over my choices. Do you think you have control over your own future and present? That's cool that you are non-binary! When did that become your solid identity? I am bisexual and wanted to be a boy when I was a kid, I don't feel like a woman until I look in the mirror sometimes so idk what that is about. I am really proud of how far you have come as a person, you are so open and well adjusted, not to mention so mature about the process of getting out of abuse and coping with mental disorders.

    • Elle01

      433d

      😥

    • PrettyPolar2

      435d

      I do have a therapist but she is kind of shitty, I have had really bad luck with Therapists. One asked me out on a date to get sushi, another didn't take my bipolar seriously and didn't recommend medication. I am on medication that works really well now but I have only had one session with my new therapist and she seems unemotional and was making jokes about being hospitalized. The therapy i have now is very cheap though, so until I make anymore money I will have to deal with her. My boyfriend is not even close to sexuallu perverse, he gets awkward when I make sexual jokes but sometimes he gets irritated about how many sexual problems I have because of my childhood. Do you have a partner and do they understand your situation?

      • E_belli

        433d

        @PrettyPolar2 I'm so sorry about your therapist. A good therapist is so important to recovery, in my opinion. I’ve had A LOT of therapists in my life but when I was 15 I got thrown into this one and it saves my life. She has literally been my therapist for 16 years. It is literally one of the most important relationships in my life. She has been a constant in my life longer than everyone but my mom. Well, I guess my stepdad was close in there. She has helped me so much. More than I could put into words. I am eternally grateful for her and our relationship. I won't even want to know where my life went without here, or even if went anywhere. Asking you out on a date is disturbing!! And the ones that don't believe you piss me off, their job is to literally be your advocate and believe you and do what is best for your care. I'm so glad your meds work! Meds were life-altering for me. Also a piece of life-saving. Eehhh. Unemotional 😬 a therapist's job is to empathize! (I am also a mental health professional so I am infuriated by bad providers!) hopefully, you don't get hospitalized unless you really need it. That is not something to joke about! If that is what you can afford it is better than no support at all! I hope they start to show some more emotions/caring. That's cute about your bf. Well, not the irritated part. I did have a partner, yes. I've had one “real” relationship in my adult life. I met her during my second month of college. And we stayed together for 7 years. We were married for 3. She was the best thing in my life and saw me thru some of the hardest moments in my life. I wouldn't do the deed with her till month 6. And she is usually a first-date kinda person. So I knew she was going to be patient. She really is the reason why I could have intimacy and show affection. She dealt with a shit ton of my issues. Mental health included. She visited me when I was inpatient in college and in young adulthood. Like the right after, aftermath. She was good to me for many years. She dealt with my trauma and weird panic attacks and flashbacks in the middle of intimate moments. It was def not easy for her. But she understood for those 7 years. She ended up leaving me bc she fell in love with her best friend (which, I honestly knew would happen since the first time she talked about him). And she said she looked to him bc she didn't like me on my meds and thought I loved our dogs more than her. We were friends for many years after. And then she wrongfully accused me of credit card fraud so I told her to fck off basically lol. It's actually funny I got an email from her for the first time in 3-4 years last night, she was asking for a copy of our divorce papers. But yes, for a long time she was understanding. It was hard for her and us at many points. If they're the right person, they will be understanding even when it is hard and they will fight alongside you. It was amazing while it lasted, don't know that I'll ever love anyone more than her. But it takes time and a a lot of patience. But it can happen! It takes a lot of tough conversations and awkward moments and tears. But with the right person, it can work and their love will feel great. Sorry went on a rant there!

        • PrettyPolar2

          433d

          @E_belli I forgot to respond about the other stuff because I was getting so riled up about your ex. My therapist was way better than the first time, I had a session yesterday and she listened mostly. If she is weird and laughs about anything else I will set boundaries and tell her is is unprofessional. I have bipolar disorder and my boyfriend has depression but I think he also has a mood disorder because I don't understand how he is up super high and then down really low within one week. I was manic and unmedicated when we met and TMI (he stopped taking his meds because he wanted to have his libido back) which catapulted him into insanity which also supports my mood disorder idea, depressed people don't have so much risk taking tendencies and insanity. Well I don't know where I'm going with this but I guess I'm trying to figure out what to do with my relationship because after hearing about yours it makes me want to start again but pick someone better. I need to have something that I identify with again I need to make more friends. Anyway, thank you for sharing!

        • PrettyPolar2

          433d

          @E_belli No need to apologize i love this app because in my experience people are so open and its like meeting a character in a movie but their identity is hidden. It makes me feel safer too because I can say whatever I want and so can everyone else and therefore we are free! I loved the rant but I think you are giving her too much good light. I mean all of this because i don't know her and they way you talked about her seems kind of backwards, I don't mean any of this to taint the way you see her as a person. The way she ended things is really shitty, if she is going to up and "fall in love" with her best friend, then she should just go and take the fault of emotionally cheating for as long as there was overlap, but saying you loved the dogs more, thats a low blow and weirdly specific. If she felt unloved or left out she has a voice to speak up about it. Also the medication, how were you changed to not fit her liking? I am on the other side of being mentally ill and accepting help I guess, I have so many trust issues because the people that want to "rescue or help" people in relationships usually are unstable themselves because they don't see the situation rationally. I am sorry she broke up with you and sorry that she framed you for credit card fraud. I hope that in your next relationship you will be able to select someone that focuses on you for your goodness and not your illness. Sorry for the rant and I hope that she doesn't cause you any troubles in the future. You seem like someone that is charging forward with honesty and intelligence 💕

    • PrettyPolar2

      435d

      Wow there is so much to respond to but I love every bit of it. You don't know how good this feels for me too to have someone that understands and doesn't look at me like I'm lying or them freaking out or shrinking away. I can tell that you are a writer because you responded to each part of my post.

    • PrettyPolar2

      437d

      Wow thank you for sharing. My abuser was also abused and he cried out to my parents so many times to help him but they beat him again and again. He told me, at a certain point he felt so bad and insane that he wanted to shoot everyone and himself. I still wish he was in jail along with my dad that beat us and my mom that witness and did nothing but I understand your confusion. Its really hard to still hate someone after I saw how shitty their life was before they fucked me up.

      • E_belli

        437d

        @PrettyPolar2 it's awful when that happens. I was in a semi-similar situation many years later w my dad. My gramma suspected his abuse but it hasn't started yet. So once they found that out, they then called me a liar no matter how much I spoke out for the rest of my adolescence. And when nobody listens it makes you crazy! Did anyone is your fam ever go to jail? My brother has been in and out of juvie and jail his whole life. My dad was supposed to go to jail but instead he just had to be pit on the sex offender registry but for ONLY 10 years, which is so aggravating. Now I know once you are on you cannot be taken off. And that's how it should be. Your crime doesn't disappear with time, jeezh. Sorry for what you went thru, it is just shitty. I wish all these guys would get a reasonable (aka harder) sentence and repercussions. Maybe it would happen less. Ugh.

        • PrettyPolar2

          436d

          @E_belli Yes exactly 💯 I don't understand how other lesser crimes like stealing a car or a purse you go to jail and stealing someone's innocence and will to live you get put on a list. My oldest brother molested me and the 3rd oldest molested my younger brother, and nobody has gone to jail. I told my mom what happened when I was around 5 years old and she just told me not to go in his room. She would also use me to relay information to him about how he shouldn't touch me. . . .??? I visited this past Christmas and they tried to tell me that living with my boyfriend is worse than what my brother did to me. The only reason I talk to them is because I am scared they are going to die and I didn't say anything beforehand. How do you cope with it? Because it lingers in the back of my head.

    • SugarRushed

      437d

      I think its natural to have mixed emotions. My father was convicted for possession of CP. He was also very abusive to me, albeit not in a sexual way. But he was also a victim of CSA. It's a sadly common story, and it really leaves you with a lot of confusing feelings. I was also a abused by another child, and that's a whole other can of worms. It really does leave you unsure of how to feel. But the thing is, there's no right way to feel. And you probably won't just feel one way all of the time. It comes in waves. It's important to remember that you can have empathy for someone and understand why they acted the way they did while still having negative feelings towards them or not being ready to forgive. It doesn't have to be black and white. His own past and trauma don't erase yours, even if they do explain them. You have a better understanding of things now, but you still need time to heal and that's okay. It's good to work towards forgiveness though, if only for your own sake. I'm sorry you've had to experience these things... it really can be like a whirlwind of different emotions. Just know you're not alone.

    • Fldreamer

      437d

      😥 I truly feel horrible for you I went through the same kind of things growing up and it's hard to understand sometimes that person was abused to and all you can do is find it eventually in your heart to forgive them otherwise just try and live your life to the best of your ability and change the world by your love and caring and understanding💕🙌

      • E_belli

        437d

        @Fldreamer I'm sorry you went thru it too! I’m working on the forgiveness. I get so close or stop thinking about it and then my PTSD flares up and I'm angry again. I am currently in one now and it has been a real long time since my last one. I kept getting triggers that led back to him that haven't bothered me in a while. Then he Facebook requested me and it freaked me out. Then I was convinced for a few hours that he was sending these things into my life to bother me. But am now fully aware it is not true. Not going down the road! No psychosis for me! And I know forgiveness is for you and not the other person. I just have a hard time with it. But I'm trying. I try to be a support to people that I would have liked to have had in my life. Spreading love one person at a time!

        • PrettyPolar2

          436d

          @E_belli tbh I think the forgiveness thing is only when you are completely sure of yourself and it isn't a choice it happens after you mature. The fear goes away and then the anger goes away. I used to try and convince myself that I forgave my abusers but some people don't deserve forgiveness, and I can have peace without thinking about them at all.

    • SecondChance

      437d

      I understand this

      • E_belli

        437d

        @SecondChance it's totally weird. I mean I know what he did was wrong. It took me a long time but I do know that now. But can I really hold him 100% accountable. I was 4 but he was only 10. Still a kid. He went thru hell, was he even able to tell the difference between right and wrong in that area. I just don't know what the appropriate feeling is. 😵‍💫 who knows

        • Chester

          437d

          @E_belli he knew it was wrong. He knew what he felt when he was abused, so he inflicted it on someone else, so yes he knew, Im also a survivor or sexual, physical and mental abuse, yes some victims become abusers, their environment contributed to their crimes as they grew, but it also had to be there in the first place, regardless of his past. He probably still would of grown up to like young girls, it's a sexual preference just like I'm attracted to men, it's no excuse I know. But it is a biological fact, environment just helped him start earlier, so blame him, feel anger disgust, and pity, that's what I felt,

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