I absolutely know what you mean now they want to put the spine simulator it's a big surgery bigger than they put a cross and I've been keeping up there's a lot of cons on our side of the spectrum but a lot of Pros for people with back pain one said she got 20% better 20% seriously I don't know what else they can do they keep saying surgery but what kind of surgery I have peripheral neuropathy severe in my hands I'm losing the feeling and the capability of doing anything but they will not because of the opioid problem give me a pain pill so I suffer it night suffer more than a human being should I mean how much should I suffer before I go to a mental institution cuz that's where it will lead me not the hospital cuz they laugh if you go in and say oh my hands hurt LOL I'm sorry to preach but I do understand what you mean